Fished a New Creek Today

[adam]

Anyone would include me.

I like your story.

Looks like some pretty cool people having fun, lots of smiles and a interesting rock ring.

Love is, never having to say you are sorry.

I am starting to understand that quote is true.

Love,

adam

[Gentleshepherd]

Rick,

I don't have a problem reading your stories on any of the sites. I belong to quite a few different foums because I fish a few different styles.

I also have cut and pasted the same wording for different sites. I guess I didn't get caught.

Don't let it bother you, you will only get a headache.

Continue to write your comments and if the moderators don't like it - tough on them!

If we are all to be fishermen - some fishers of men - we have to be able to get our words out to the people who will read what needs to be said.

I hope my comments don't offend too many.

Mike

[adam]

Good post.

John Lurie made a series of shows about fishing with celebrities. Tom Waits and John Lurie went fishing together and Tom sang a song, "Fishers of men, fishers of men, up one side and back again along the river of men." Anyone who does not know Tom, he has this great voice...

[youtube:dnpjo32w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaL4FHY2_ec[/youtube:dnpjo32w]

Quality vs. quantity?

Some want a busy web site where they can chatter, others want a quiet little place to share their stories, even others want something in between.

I like my web sites like I like my streams.

[greendrake]

I'm not a rabble rouzer(or is that rebel?) or a troublemaker and Adam ihave a lot of respect for you and consider you a friend even though we have never met in person. But I must say that I have never understood this concept.

Counting me, I believe there are only 8 grassart members here out of over 476 members.Grassart is usually the first place I post because of the kinship and sharing that is prevalent there. Now I would like a good,valid reason why I should deny the other 466 members here a chance to share the pictures and story. The magazine writers/editors concept doesn't hold water for me because they pay you for your original stories and photos giving them the right to demand exclusivity,whereas everything here is done for free and out of the goodness of our hearts in wanting to share our adventures with likeminded individuals from all over the globe.Can you see where I'm coming from?

It is just a completely foreign idea to my way of thinking but I tend to be a bit naive at times for someone who has been around the block more than once.

I think you know me well enough to know that I'm not being confrontational.I just want to understand the reasoning behind this concept.

Thanks,
Will

[rayfound]

I'm torn on this, because on one hand, where's the sense in posting the same thing multiple times, if the audience is the same each time (I had this issue a while back on another board where essentially all members of one site were also members of another... so double posting really didn't reach many extra eyes).

But when the boards have substantially different readerships, i see no harm. I don't really know the overlap of the two in question here, so I guess I'd leave it to the poster to judge... but I certainly suspect that its a pretty small portion of small stream fishermen that are Tenkara Fishermen.

personally, I'm a member of a forum (and Rick is too), that is largely Californian. We have a few others, but the core group, and the main focus, is on Central/Southern California (and many of us know each other). That forum derives its camaraderie, largely from the geographical closeness, sharing the same waters, and in many cases, knowing each other or sharing common friends.

I am also a member here at small streams, a forum with a much different perspective, much more international, but camaraderie is from the united passion for fishing small streams and trickles. I know of less than 5 people of the 1000 members at the other site who are members here. I certainly want to give back to each community, participate in both.

I Also have been tending to write less reports on forums as I develop my personal site, largely because I don't want to simply repeat information that was presented in one format on my blog, then reformat for forum posting (I prefer the format of the blog). I also don't want to use forums solely as a way to "promote" my site, because that's not fair to the community either.

[gusstrand]

Like I said in the other post...

No rule, sort of unspoken etiquette. Lots of room for interpretation.

Lots of water has passed underfoot since then.

Bygones.

[adam]

Will, I am glad you posted your question concern.

Gus "owns" the site but I told him that I would help him with it. I see it as a project that is continually worked upon but has a core set of values.

One of the core values has always been that this site and it's membership are original. One of the reasons why this site exists is because I was rejected by a magazine editor for a story that everyone thought was cool. It's not a joke that magazine editors are some of the reasons books get written or writers get better. Early on I made it an unspoken rule that the content here was to be original and NOT "cut and paste" Your work here was made for this site. This was long before blogger or word press or even other people making web sites on their own. There just were not that many web sites, there were a lot, but nothing like now.

Times change.

An old granny can go to Best Buy and purchase a computer on a Saturday morning and by tea time that afternoon, have a slik web site up and running, an old granny mind you. I know, I've talked to more than a few grandmothers with web sites at my day job.

Now that times have changed, I think it is important to change with them. Everyone has a blog and everyone wants everyone to read their blog and I totally support that however I do not support lessoning our core values. Those values made what this site is all about. I think that if you make something for your blog and you want to post it here for people to see, by all means. As a matter of fact, I think that is quite cool. But say you cut and paste that in your five faves, NO, not here.

This place is special.

You don't think it's special?

I don't think you are special for "cutting and pasting" your story everywhere.

I also think it is crass for someone on their first couple of posts to go straight for the "for sale" forum and place an add for their rods, reels, flys or what ever: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=681



There are a few more un-written rules, guidelines or what ever that are out there in my brain that many of you may not like. It seems these days, there are many people who take web sites for granted. They feel entitled to say, "this site is bigger than you" or "you are full of sh!t" or what ever.

This site is nothing without you, the readers but more importantly, it is nothing at all without "us" the people who spend countless hours for others to be entertained and sometimes educated.

I AM a good person, a very nice person, I don't need validation from anyone. It is ludicrous when I read posts of how people think they have the write to do this or that here.



If you like the site, let the people who run the site do their thing.


I said, "frowned upon" and this guy writes personally about me. He comes here to post his "cut and paste" story and I rub him wrong?


I can think of many parallels right now that are happening in Arizona but I'm going to leave it at that.


You have a blog, I think that is cool, really I do. You want to "cut and paste" your story here and point to your blog, cool, I can dig that. You write a story and "cut and paste" it here and there, nope, "frowned upon"

Develop your style, a unique and individual style and share it here. You want your story everywhere, submit it to a magazine.

I can't make it more clear than that.

If you don't understand me, I'm ok with that.

Many many people understand me, that's why they are here posting the beautiful stories that they do, unique and individual stories for this site. I will not have those stories diluted with "cut and paste" style.

You asked.

[Ernest]

I haven’t been a very active poster since smallstreams was reconstituted. I used to post more, but my interest is short fiction, and the site has moved toward TR’s, photo essays, and creative non-fiction. My stories would be unusual in the current mix.

I understood previously that the author retains the copyright for his original material that appears on smallstreams, and the author may post it elsewhere, sell it if he can, or do whatever with it that he wishes.

In past years I posted stories to smallstreams for which I had already sold a one time use to a limited circulation magazine or journal. And I’ve also submitted to other sites or markets stories that first appeared at smallstreams. I’ve never had anyone complain to me, perhaps because the submissions were separated by months or years, and perhaps because I submitted to two distinct audiences with little or no overlap of members.

But then there are a few posters on regional Midwestern boards who get on my nerves when they post the same report or essay to say, three boards, sometimes with different titles, and I am clicking on something three times that I only needed to enjoy one time.

I’m a fence sitter. I like what Ray wrote; post to the distinct audiences you’re trying to reach, but don’t pummel the same guys with multiple submissions of the same essay.

And to balance things out, the administrators/moderators always have the final say about what appears here.

[gusstrand]

I haven’t been a very active poster since smallstreams was reconstituted. I used to post more, but my interest is short fiction... My stories would be unusual in the current mix.

I understood previously that the author retains the copyright for his original material that appears on smallstreams, and the author may post it elsewhere, sell it if he can, or do whatever with it that he wishes.

Users always maintain the rights to their images, prose and all other intellectual property here. I have no intent of it being any other way...

I miss your stories. Where the heck are they? The site is photos and TR's because people post what they know and are not challenged... DD's stories and "trip reports" are close to the old ways... ;) BUT the site is what the users make it. Share your creativity with us again, Ernest... To that end, if anyone wants to try their hand at short stories or other fiction, I'd be glad to create a forum for it.

[adam]

I understood previously that the author retains the copyright for his original material that appears on smallstreams, and the author may post it elsewhere, sell it if he can, or do whatever with it that he wishes.

In past years I posted stories to smallstreams for which I had already sold a one time use to a limited circulation magazine or journal. And I’ve also submitted to other sites or markets stories that first appeared at smallstreams. I’ve never had anyone complain to me, perhaps because the submissions were separated by months or years, and perhaps because I submitted to two distinct audiences with little or no overlap of members.

Ernest, I miss your work too.

You are correct, those were the rules for the essay contests.

We have one going on now...

Thank you for ringing in.